Hi everybody out there,

On 01/09/14 16:46, Francesca Pick wrote:

Thanks Adrien for the initative, I agree we should try to continue our discourse in English, to remain as open as possible.

+1

I also am with you on deciding on a license for our map data, and am ok for the license type you propose!

...

cc-by-nc-sa

Clearly not - we would like remain as open as possible, and the more restrictions we put in the less open it is. In some definitions, NC (and even SA) (and for some people even BY) is not Open.

Choosing a NC-license wouldn't even allow a blogger to embed one of our maps in an article, if he has a single ad on his website to cover his hosting fees.

Apart from the “religious” licensing wars, when working with OpenStreetMap, we have only two options: * Public Domain (CC-0) * Open Database License (which is like CC-BY-SA for data)

ALL others are not compatible with OSM.

But we can continue this discussion in Leipzig, I'm looking forward to see you all soon ☺

See you Leipizg!

*Francesca Pick | **@francescapick http://twitter.com/francescapick* OuiShareFest http://www.ouisharefest.com Co-Chair | International Community Connector

/Licensing/. Would be great to discuss licensing our data. Our
mapping of the mapping is getting very interesting and we need to
protect it to make sure it remains open and further grows. What
about Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0
International License
<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/>? This would be a
first step before discussing licensing the transformap.org
<http://transformap.org> data...

fyi: transformap.org is registered since 2008. transformap.coop was the url we agreed on iirc.

Liebe Grüsse,

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Adrien Labaeye

best wishes, Michael

thanks Michael for the feedback! I copied your comment here to pursue the discussion: http://foyer.14mmm.org/t/licensing-14mmm-data/47

Cheers, Adrien

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM, ART-ist : Michael A. Vesely mi@art-ist.cc wrote:

*Thanks Adrien, *I absolutely second:

a. *English* is a must if we want to address the international community

b. Licensing is a big and open question we definitely have to discuss in Leipzig.

a. We have the licensing constraints given by OSM

b. Dogmatic discussions what is free/not free/…enough

c. And there are considerations to protect the privacy (e.g. phone numbers, email) of the initiatives we map against advertising companies or spammers who already offered to pay money for well structured, categorized and maintained addresses.

My heart is absolutely with your proposal. And I am looking forward to a lively discussion and hopefully answers we can build on.

CU @ Leipzig

*Michael* Vesely

*Von:* maps-bounces@list.allmende.io [mailto:maps-bounces@list.allmende.io] *Im Auftrag von *Francesca Pick *Gesendet:* Montag, 01. September 2014 16:46 *An:* Adrien Labaeye *Cc:* Intermediäre Ankündigungsliste des Netzwerkverbunds zur Kartierung von Projekten alternativer Ökonomien *Betreff:* Re: [maps] For discussion in Leipzig: Structuring the process, English, Licensing

Thanks Adrien for the initative, I agree we should try to continue our discourse in English, to remain as open as possible.

I also am with you on deciding on a license for our map data, and am ok for the license type you propose!

See you Leipizg!

*Francesca Pick* *| @francescapick http://twitter.com/francescapick*

OuiShareFest http://www.ouisharefest.com Co-Chair | International Community Connector

mob: +33 (0)6 67575899

ouishare.net

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On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Adrien Labaeye adrienlabaeye@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Mappers/-innen,

3 Vorschläge:

*Struktur*. Nach unsere Fringe event in Berlin im Juli, Ich habe ein draft Struktur prepariert mit dem Ziel das wir können ein gemeinsame und Klare Blick entwickeln. Es wäre toll wann wir könnten in Leipzig diese Struktur durchsehen, abstimmen, und weiter arbeiten. http://pad.sinnwerkstatt.com/p/14mmm_structure

*Sprache*. [Vorsicht! English] I have told quite a few people about 14MMM and people get interested to join! Many of them do not speak German and are disapointed to see that we are exclusively working in German. It would be great if we could discuss how we could switch some of our exchanges from German to English to open up to a global community. What do you think?

*Licensing*. Would be great to discuss licensing our data. Our mapping of the mapping is getting very interesting and we need to protect it to make sure it remains open and further grows. What about Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/? This would be a first step before discussing licensing the transformap.org data...

Liebe Grüsse,

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Thanks for the feedback. Great to see that there is (so far) some consensus on the switch towards English. I think the issue of licensing is really worth discussing. Thanks Michael for the insight. I have started a discourse topic on licensing where we can have the discussion going (I copied your comment): http://foyer.14mmm.org/t/licensing-14mmm-data/47/2 Looking forward to meeting you guys in Leipzig.

PS: For those interested, I will present my PhD work on grassroots digital commons for sustainability transitions that includes a look at 14MMM on Thursday: http://programme.leipzig.degrowth.org/en/degrowth2014/public/events/292

Cheers, Adrien

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, David Weingartner david.we87@gmail.com wrote:

Good morning, thanks Adrien for the structure as well as to you Michael for the insights in licencing models. I agree that we should continue in English and that we should aim for an open licence. As I am not as knowledgeable in this topic as others here I would suggest to go with whatever is seen as best fit (such as Public Domain or Open Database Licence as proposed by Michael).

Best wishes from the bus to Leipzig! David

2014-09-02 0:38 GMT+02:00 Josef Kreitmayer <josef.kreitmayer@getactive.org

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thank you adrien,

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with: http://pad.sinnwerkstatt.com/p/14mmm_structure you started a good overview of mayor topics and streams : )

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2014-08-31 19:00 GMT+02:00 Adrien Labaeye adrienlabaeye@gmail.com:

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Hi Mappers/-innen,

3 Vorschläge:

*Struktur*. Nach unsere Fringe event in Berlin im Juli, Ich habe ein draft Struktur prepariert mit dem Ziel das wir können ein gemeinsame und Klare Blick entwickeln. Es wäre toll wann wir könnten in Leipzig diese Struktur durchsehen, abstimmen, und weiter arbeiten. http://pad.sinnwerkstatt.com/p/14mmm_structure

*Sprache*. [Vorsicht! English] I have told quite a few people about 14MMM and people get interested to join! Many of them do not speak German and are disapointed to see that we are exclusively working in German. It would be great if we could discuss how we could switch some of our exchanges from German to English to open up to a global community. What do you think?

*Licensing*. Would be great to discuss licensing our data. Our mapping of the mapping is getting very interesting and we need to protect it to make sure it remains open and further grows. What about Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/? This would be a first step before discussing licensing the transformap.org data...

Liebe Grüsse,

-- Adrien Labaeye

+49 176 3810 8605 Skype ID: adrien.labaeye Twitter: @alabaeye LinkedIn: Adrien Labaeye

http:// http://berlin.thinkfarm.de/transition-lab.org

c/o Thinkfarm Berlin Oranienstraße 183 10999 Berlin (3. Hof, Aufgang C, 3. OG) http://berlin.thinkfarm.de/

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